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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

these are the always accepted ARROWS, the tunes that we KNOW always truly SEGUE (established bridges that connect songs conceived independently, they usually include musical cues mixed with improvisation, yet follow a known path) let me know what i missed:

dark star> st stephen > eleven
cryptical suite
WRPS
china > rider
scarlet > fire
alligator > caution
help > slip > franklins

mama tried > mexicali
lost sailor > saint
lazy lightning > supplication

i am looking here at mostly first set songs. i accept 99% of SECOND SET ARROWS unconditionally though they are sometimes misleading...

all DARK STARS, PLAYINS, OTHER ONES, TRUCKINS, NOT FADE AWAYS, EYES OF THE WORLDS and other second set staples are accepted at face value as true ARROWS

these songs are often PAIRED but don't really segue musically:

miss 1/2 > franklin's
bertha > good lovin
let it grow > deal, might as well


WHAT THE F&C( is the point of this post? i am trying to rally support for the effort to STOP BOGUS ARROW PROPAGATION....PLEASE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, do not pass on bogus arrows, greatest story and jack straw never ever actually "went into" any other jams, stop FAKING me out with those enticing but bogus arrows.

PEACE!

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 20, 2007 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

He Live's: I'm back! Bastard buried me in only a shallow grave --- I guess he missed the fact that the word "AshesRising" is not a name but a way-of-life. Bastard -- I'll leave it to the Spirits to take care of him...and his "wife"(??!!) WTF?

I must admit, I read your post, re-read it, re-re-read it, ingested some medicine and read it again. I keep thinking that you're writing a post that goes much, much deeper than songs & arrows. I just don't know.

I've got nothin' to offer you. Any mention of "arrows" and I immediately think of our comrade, "William Tell." He scares the shit out of me! Seriously. Anbody who chooses the name "William Tell" is one unique cat.

Regardless, you are right ...it is rather misleading to see song lists with the arrows such as "Bird Song > Brother Esau > Deal" I like checking out the songs, especially during the first set, for whatever themes tie the songs together. You know, for example, a first set like Sugaree, Hell in a Bucket, Loser, It's All Over Now, Row Jimmy Row, Desolation Row, Deal.

May your arrows always find their home,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

no ...sorry ashes

this was in my head on a goof the night before and i didn't know if it was just a deadend or?....and i wrote it down and then just posted in the morning to see if people wanted to weigh in on the arrows....

i dont know about you, but i have done a lot of dead setlist reading and my eyes always scan for unusual arrows, interesting song combos...ahh the promise of a "jam" in the setlist, connect by arrows to other songs is always so promising....

>>>>>>>the ARROWS<<<<<<<<<< signify that there was a PROPER SONG played and then the music never stopped and another PROPER SONG is played and so on....

it is the ARROWS that are uniquely dead....the DEAD require the use of lots of arrows to descibe their sets

I AM definitely PRO ARROW and i looked flipped through some setlist this morning and i actually had a hard time finding many dubious looking arrows....maybe there are more on deadbase

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

He Live's: the band brought their arrows with them for the 1976 Orpheum shows culminating with:

Lazy Lightning-> Supplication-> Let It Grow-> Drums-> Let It Grow-> Wharf Rat-> The Other One-> Saint Stephen-> Not Fade Away-> Saint Stephen-> The Wheel-> The Other One-> Stella Blue

http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-07-18.sbd.ferguson.244.sbeok.shnf

Lost my boots in transit,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 21, 2007 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 7/17/76!

The band brought their arrows the night before, too! The 'jams' and 'spaces' are for real, not just two-minute fiddling....

Comes A Time > Jam > Drums > The Other One > Space > Eyes Of The World > Jam > The Other One > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > One More Saturday Night

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 20, 2007 10:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

now WE'RE TALKING

i am not asking questions....I AM NOT PAYING $200, i am NOT GOING TO JAIL...

I AM passing go -> I AM going to this show

thanks, man....this will be onthetable for tomorrow....i will report back on ARROW-WORTHINESS.

CHEERS!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 20, 2007 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

You forgot the Playing > Uncle Johns sandwiches that start with either one into the other song.

Estimated Prophet > Eyes of the World
Not Fade away > Goin Down the Road > Not Fade Away
Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain

Me and My Uncle > Big River
Me and My Uncle > Mexicali Blues
Me and My Uncle > Mama Tried
Prelude > Weather Report Suite > Let it Grow




This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2007-11-21 00:49:30

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

I think this theory is somewhat meritless.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 20, 2007 11:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

He Live's: I forgot to mention: do you know who is another huge PRO-ARROW FANATIC? Hunter. I'll find some set lists for you that will bend your mind without even hearing the tunes. I have no idea why, but "Peggy-O" and "Dire Wolf" would get woven into a medley of tunes at least three times on many occassions. Those are just two examples that come to my mind at the moment -- he did it with a lot of tunes. -- granted, not the same as a GD jam, however very intriguing in its own way.

"Speeding arrow, sharp and narrow
What a lot of fleeting matters you have spurned...
William Tell has stretched his bow
Till it won't stretch no furthermore
And/or it will require a change that hasn't come before
And when he will release it, will it pare the apple core?"

--- AshesRising

This post was modified by AshesRising on 2007-11-21 07:35:31

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 2, 2011 10:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

haha.... show me the way! i am ready.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jul 3, 2011 3:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS - Hunter

I offer two examples:

d2t12 - Promontory Rider ->
d2t13 - The Eleven ->
d2t14 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t15 - Loser ->
d2t16 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t17 - The Eleven ->
d2t18 - Promontory Rider
http://www.archive.org/details/rh1978-07-22.sbd.ververelli.miller.113045.flac16

01-Mr. Charlie>
02-Easy Wind>
03-Scarlet Begonias>
04-Independence Day>
05-Sugaree>
06-Cats Under The Stars>
07-Lady With A Fan>
08-Cats Under The Stars>
09-It Must've Been The Roses>
10-My Creole Belle>
11-Baby Blackbird>
12-Los Muertes>
13-Franklin's Tower>
14-Los Muertes>
15-Pickin' Up The Pieces>
16-Baby Blackbird
http://www.archive.org/details/rh1978-10-14.sbd.moore

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 17, 2013 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS - Hunter

i never saw these hunter shows you linked... let me listen to those now... 5+ years on...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 17, 2013 9:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS - Hunter

Jesus - Tigerbolt and He Live's posting on the same day. Whodda thunk?

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

Although I see your point and tend to agree, I think that some people define the use of an ARROW differently. I've heard that some folks use an ARROW between songs just to signify that there's less than a (x) second gap between songs, where x might be anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds. But yes, seeing a Peggy-O -> Me and My Uncle can be very misleading, not the same as a Dark Star -> El Paso by any means.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 20, 2007 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

I > just use the > arrows to confuse the Crap out of Apos!!

;)

Sorry couldn't > help it, truthfully I am quite lazy in my use of arrows and oftentimes > simply cut and past what is in the archive songlist which is>not always accurate.

I promise to be more careful in the > future

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2007 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

Missed you in the dark...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 20, 2007 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

Mr. Tell, I would have expected a much more verbose reply to a thread with the subject "Theory of the Arrows", seems like this would be right up your alley and a favorite topic of conversation.

;)

It was dark and I was pretty busy - but had a great day of sailboat racing, good wind (15-20) and not too cold.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2007 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

ha! Wouldn't ya think? Damn; getting old & slow. Wasn't sure what they were talking about at first either.

Now I get it; have to admit, I had thought about it before, and noted the distinction--real segue vs stop and start. Always thought that NFA in StSt was a bit odd, though the drums "work" in a segue kind of way, but other songs in that space, eg, It's a Sin, just don't, though that would still qualify as an arrow of appropriateness.

There, is that better?

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

yes yes...i am glad you are a FAN OF THE ARROWS

i was hoping more people would riff on the arrows...i really think they are unique to the grateful dead....the music requires f^cking arrows to describe it ok?

that's why we like it....ARROWS

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Nov 20, 2007 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

Hey man,i aint your brother

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 21, 2007 5:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

I ain't your brother - that's exactly what 2 African-American teenage boys said to me, a second before shooting me in the back, on the corner at Ralston St. at the South end of 19th Avenue in mid-'72.

Just a flesh wound, the bullet exited without hitting anything vital.

But I learned my lesson:
don't tell armed assailants while they're trying to rob you, that they're your brothers.

Particularly if the word brother means something altogether different inside a society which may well exclude an outsider, regardless of calling them brothers.

The youth with the gun hit me in the head with the butt, and said "I ain't your brother" -
his quick response to my premptorily, en flagrante, calling them "my brothers".


My friend ran, and they shot at him but missed.

I got stung, hit by a 22 slug through my lower back.
I did turn sideways just to time to make myself a narrower target while standing at point-blank range.
Immediately after being shot once I pretended to die which had the hoped-for effect, of scaring them into running away instead of plugging me a few more times.


I was 18 at the time, and it was 1972.
The shooter and accomplice were not arrested or caught for that crime.

I say "that crime" because I can imagine what happened, at a later time to (I don't actually know what fate held in store for) my brothers.

cream puff piece, man

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 20, 2007 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THEORY OF THE ARROWS

He ain't heavy, he's my brother.